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  1. #1
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    RTR From Australia Post

    I have just had a customer order a few rather large (in size) products.
    We use Australia Post to calculate our postage rates via RTR.

    The products in total weight were 5600 grams (5.6KG)
    Dimensions were 46cm x 24cm x 24cm.
    From Postcode 6063 to postcode 2447

    When they did the RTR calculation it return costs of

    Available Rates and Services
    Service Estimated Cost
    Standard $11.15
    Express $21.60

    When I went to Australia posts website and tried their online RTR calculator I got the following results

    Parcels Within Australia Delivery Charges
    Lodgement Postcode: 6063
    Destination Postcode: 2447
    Parcel Weight: Up to 7 kg , via cubing rule
    Select Service

    Regular Parcel Express Post Parcel
    Postal Charge $8.75 $10.40
    Cost Per Kilogram $2.40 $11.20

    Total Charge $25.55 $88.80

    Note: Weights are rounded up to the nearest kilogram in all calculations.

    Could you please explain this LARGE variance in pricing.

    It has just cost me $106.50 to send this parcel PLUS $84.25 for a slightly smaller parcel to the same customer and they have paid $45.00 AS PER SQUIRRELCART. Therefore a LOSS on postage of $145.75

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    Squirrelcart Staff Jamie's Avatar
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    What version of Squirrelcart are you running? If it's anything but the latest version then you should upgrade before troubleshooting this.

    If you still have a problem after that, try checking "Diagnostics Mode" in the Account Options nav block to see the data being sent to them, and their response.

    A helpdesk ticket would also be better for something like this. These forums are not an official means of support, and without access to your site there isn't much we can do to help you.

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    Diagnostic Mode

    Jamie,

    I am running version 2.5.1.
    As you suggested I have run in diagnostics mode.
    No matter what product or quantity I select two things happen.

    Weight of product info sent to AUSPOST changes correctly.
    Length, Width and Height of products sent to AUSPOST, no matter what sizes we put into the information is 51x51x51

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    Jamie,

    I have also raised a helpdesk ticket with regards this matter.

    Ticket ID WPU-795631

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    Same Problem

    Hi - a client is having the same problem with Squirrelcart RTR v3.1.0

    Was there a fix for this?

    FROM CLIENT:
    I set the product to 800g, 27x16x12cm which works if I send just one item but when I sent 4 of them it sent 51x51x51cm to Aust Post (checked in the diagnostics). It did send the correct weight 3200g.

    I then tried sending 8 of the items and it again sent 51x51x51cm to the postage calculator witht the correct weight 6400g. This should actually cube out to 11kg using Aust Posts x250 rule.

    The rates coming back from Australia Post seem correct but only using the weight.

    51x51x51 cubes out to 33kg using Aust Posts rules for cubing and thus the rates should be much higher if it was using them.

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    Squirrelcart Staff Jamie's Avatar
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    The problem reported originally in this thread is fixed with this bug fix:
    http://www.ldev.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5092

    That should be resolved in all versions after 2.5.2. If you are having a similar problem, you'd have to open a helpdesk ticket to get this looked at.

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    Thanks Jamie - have uploaded that file and will see it that fixes...

    Will raise a ticket if still not working...

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    Squirrelcart Staff Jamie's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyanweb View Post
    Thanks Jamie - have uploaded that file and will see it that fixes...
    That file is for versions 2.5.1 and older.

  9. #9
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    Ok - will reupload the auspost_rates.php from 3.1.2 and see if that fixes... should be ok with 3.1.0 yes?

    If not I will upgrade to latest 3.2 and see if that helps...

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    Squirrelcart Staff Jamie's Avatar
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    Yes, that should work OK.

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    I've done an upgrade to 3.2.0 and still the same problem with Australia Post RTR. I put in for a support ticket with more details...

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    Squirrelcart Staff Jamie's Avatar
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    This is complicated, so bare with me...

    Squirrelcart does not have the means to send accurate dimensions for a shipment to any RTR courier, unless you check "Ship as a separate package" on your product records. If every item in your store had that field checked and your dimensions and weights were entered correctly your real time rates would be 100% accurate.

    However, for items that may ship together with other items in the same box we have no way of determining what the size of that box is going to be because we don't know how you will be packing the items. Because of this, when "Ship as a separate package" is not checked we normally do not send dimensions along with rate requests.

    UPS, FedEx, and USPS allow you to make rate requests without sending dimensions. AusPost does not. If you try, it reports that the dimensions are missing.

    To account for this, if a rate request for AusPost is made without dimensions we default the dimensions to their smallest measurements allowed. That number is 5 cm. Due to the way we handle dimensions (which is too complicated to explain here), we've set the default measurements to 2 inches which is equivalent to 5.08 cm. AusPost requires dimensions be sent to them in mm. So, we then convert the 2 inches to 51 millimeters which is why you are seeing 51x51x51 for those orders.

    We will be completely revamping our shipping features in the future, and are looking into adding a feature that would allow you to specify how certain items ship together and in what size boxes. Until that time, we have no way of sending accurate dimensions for orders like this.

    To get very accurate rates, you can mark all your products as "Ship as a Separate Package".

    The other alternative would be a workaround. If you want to make the rates more accurate you can change the default measurements used from 2 inches to something more practical for you. You can do this by editing the file squirrelcart/functions/storefront/shipping/australia_post.func.php, changing lines #49, 50, and 51 to your new default measurements in inches:
    PHP Code:
        if (!($width 2))    $width    2;
        if (!(
    $height 2))    $height    2;
        if (!(
    $depth 2))    $depth    2
    So, if most of your shipments are at least 12 in. x 9 in. x 6 in. you would change that code to:
    PHP Code:
        if (!($width 2))    $width    12;
        if (!(
    $height 2))    $height    9;
        if (!(
    $depth 2))    $depth    6

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    Increase the Weight

    Even though FedEx (the company we use) doesn't need measurements... I have learned to increase the weight of the items because if I need two boxes instead of one or three boxes instead of one, the shipping price goes way up...

    1. you can pad the cost with Jamie's wonderful programming...

    2. you can increase the weight of the items causing the entire RTR's working or not to charge more...

    Combining and tweaking both of these has worked for me. Now, if you only order one item... my customers use Canada Post, because it appears that FedEx is way out of line...

    John

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    Cool - thanks for the info - will pass on to client

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